satan claus

I’ve written in the past about the pagan roots of Baa’ls-Mass and highlighted the fact that if you call yourself a Christian and celebrate this time you are unwittingly paying homage to Satan and his demons. 

Baal’s-Mass originated from Babylon, where the SUN was worshipped as the supreme god. As the year progressed and the days grew shorter the people feared the sun was leaving them. On December 22 the shortest day of the year, they began conducting long rituals and sacrifices to the sun god, appealing for it to return for another year. On December 25 they could determine the day was getting longer again and on this day they held a great celebration rejoicing in the re-birth of the sun! Yule was the original Pagan holiday when the Moon Goddess gave birth to the SUN God. You can see quite clearly the similarity to Christianity and to the birth of the SON OF GOD, showing this was and still is, ancient Pagan ritual that has continued from Babylon to this day.

PAGANISING XMAS

 So then, is there a command anywhere in the Scriptures that someone should cut down a tree from the forest, set it up in one’s home at the time of the Winter Solstice, deck it out with gifts, trinkets and various colourful decorations, and then place a five or six-pointed star on its topmost part to show an association of the tree with the signs of the heavens?

On the contrary, evergreen trees are mentioned in the Bible, as a practice of the heathens and therefore  if you call yourself a Christian you should have nothing to do with xmas trees.

‘Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel.

Thus said the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be ye not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

They deck it with silver and gold; they fasten it with nails and hammers, that it move not.’ Jeremiah 10:1-4

This is nothing but a description of a Baal’s-Mass tree. They are not new and in fact have been around for and used in pagan rituals for thousands of years.

However with some sort of twisted reasoning, the church authorities tell the ignorant faithful that all these pagan customs are innocent enough as long as they “put Christ back into Xmas” with their worshipful adoration for the nativity of the Christ-child. But the problem is, how can the church leaders “put Christ back into Xmas” when He was never in it in the first place?

SATAN CLAUS

Here now is the true origin of that jolly individual in the red suit, “Santa Claus.” It certainly was a stroke of demonic genius that produced such a charming and attractive figure for our children to enjoy, and straight from the dark pages of Pagan mythology.

Thor was the god of the peasants and the common people. He was represented as an elderly man, jovial and friendly, of heavy build, with a long white beard. His element was the FIRE, his colour RED. The rumble and roar of thunder were said to be caused by the rolling of his chariot, for he alone among the gods never rode on horseback but drove in a chariot drawn by two white goats (called Cracker and Gnasher). He was fighting the giants of ice and snow, and thus became the Yule-god. He was said to live in the “Northland” where he had his palace among icebergs. Our pagan forefathers considered him as the cheerful and friendly god, never harming the humans but rather helping and protecting them. The fireplace in every home was especially sacred to him, and he was said to come down through the chimney into his element, the FIRE.” [ H. A. Grueber, Myths of Northern Lands, Vol. I, New York, 1895, 61ff.].

Another interesting exercise to prove the Pagan point even further, is what we get when we unscramble the word- “Santa Claus.” Santa is obviously S a t a n, and Claus is L u c a s, from the Roman name Lucius, meaning “luminous or white,” which is derived from Lucifer or the “bringer of the light.” Now we can see clearly why Santa Claus is also called “Old Saint Nicholas,” because Nicolaus is the same name as Nicholas, or “Old Nick,” – the Devil himself.

Until Jesus returns this world is under the control of the evil one and almost everyone has fallen for his guile.

 You can pay homage to Satan, even if it is unwittingly, by taking part in these pagan practices!

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  1. To understand this you need to first understand how the early church worked, I’ll explain briefly.

    The early church took over pagan systems and replaced them with Christian practices. For example, shrines to water spirits were replaced with baptism fonts etc.

    2 Cor 10:3-5 tells us that we are to break down the strongholds of Satan and 1 Cor 8:4 teaches us that idols are actually nothing. Armed with this knowledge we can understand why changing a water spirit shrine to a baptism font is a good idea.

    Now saint Nicholas was a rich bishop who gave money to a poor man by throwing it down the chimney so his daughters could have a dowry and marry. Sound familiar?

    Lucifer is not Satan’s name, this lie has been so ingrained in us that we accept it without question. Let me explain.

    You will find the word Lucifer only once in the KJV in Isa 14:12. Newer versions will correctly translate it to Lightbringer. The translators of the KJV didn’t know how to translate the Hebrew word and so they just copied the word used in the Latin Vulgate and later revisions assumed it was a name and capitalized it. This of course completely refutes the point about unscrambling Santa Claus to produce lucifer. It is extremely easy to connect two things logically, but the true test is in proving that the name Santa Claus was derived from Lucifer. What should be noted is that if someone is willing to use an incorrect argument like the name scrambling and present it as proof of a view, does that not indicate that the person is trying to prove a certain point instead of trying to uncover the truth? To find the truth you always need to start at the beginning and look how something evolved, not start at the end and then try to connect it to other rituals.

    Regarding the idol of the Christmas tree, just read the whole passage and it will become clear that it is not referring to a Christmas tree but of the Asherah Pole in the Baal religion (the author correctly made this connection). It was worshiped as a god. How many Christians do you know that go on their knees and worship a Christmas tree? If you argue that a Christmas tree is an idol then I guess my wooden bed, couch, and table are idols too and I need to get rid of them.

    Unless a practice is in direct contrast to biblical teaching extreme care needs to be taken when assessing it. Ask yourself this: why do I celebrate Christmas? Do you pass the proof of Prov 16:2? Will you be able to say that you celebrate Christmas as a celebration of the birth of Christ? That you give presents because Jesus was the biggest gift we ever received? That you decorate your home to be joyous because it is a time of celebration?

    If that is the reason then I believe God looks at your intentions and declares it Holy just like the meat sacrificed to an idol is declared suitable for consumption by God (1 Tim 4:5, 1 Cor 10:25-26) as long as we keep in mind that we should seek the good of others and not of ourselves (1 Cor 10:24)

  2. It’s one thing [and a good thing at that], for Christians to hijack that which was evil and turn it into something that’s good. It’s another thing entirely to accuse people who celebrate CHRISTmas, of acceding to the enemy. While I’m fully on board with your thoughts regarding the nine lies, I think you’re just a bit over the top to make accusatory remarks regarding Santa Claus and CHRISTmas trees. How and why CHRISTmas is observed, is far more important than the ancient origins of associated names and traditions. Peace.

  3. All I asked of you is to please NOT to “X” out Christ’s name.

  4. Please do not spell Christmas with an “X” at the beginning.
    Thank you,
    Carmen

    • As Jesus Christ has nothing at all to do with ‘Christmas’ or ‘Xmas’ it doesn’t matter what this pagan festival is named.
      Many ‘Christians’ believe they are celebrating the birth of Jesus but are inadvertently paying homage to Satan and his minions with the pagan practices ‘Christmas’ entails. So, read the article, ‘Satan Claus’ and if you still want to celebrate ‘Christmas’, it’s up to you, but you cannot claim ignorance as to the pagan roots anymore. To call this pagan festival ‘Christmas’ would be wrong as Jesus Christ was never in it. So, I now use the term ‘Xmas’. You can use whatever you wish.

  5. How about good old fashioned redemption? Jesus came not only to redeem our lives but our culture. Christians have chosen to redefine the meaning of a Christmas tree (not xmas, btw) and other so called “pagan” traditions into a beautiful celebration of God’s gift to us. We humans start out as pagans too-but we are redeemed and transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus. So, I’m not going to throw out my children because before they were saved they were pagans. Same with my tree. You are missing the point.
    (Referring now to your 9 lies of the church) I’ve read several of your articles and while I agree that the church at large needs to rise up, I love God’s people, messy as we are. Unfortunately your words sound rooted in a spirit of condemnation of God’s beloved bride. The letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law debate. Just because something isn’t mentioned in the NT doesn’t mean it is evil. Do you drive a car? Have a washing machine? Those aren’t mentioned in the Bible, so should Christians shun using them? Modern culture uses houses of worship called church. Not sure we should be so quick to condemn large church buildings. Speaking truth is necessary, but it seems like the way these articles are worded just opens the door for a lot of disgruntled people to continue to moan about their “church injustices”. We are going to get hurt. FORGIVE!

  6. Let’s keep our minds on things above, not on earthly things. We’re exhorted that those who eat meat served to idols with no damage to their consciences and those who do not because their consciences will not allow it are equally acceptable to Jesus. I suspect we’re looking at a similar issue here. Information is useful, but at the same time, Paul also urged believers to refrain from asking where the meat came from in certain social situations, a practical kind of “ignorance is bliss.” Anyway, myself, I do like to know and have looked into this and similar issues from time to time.

  7. Jeremiah was explicitly talking about fashioning idols, as does much of the Old Testament, from the trees, and not the trees themselves. These are worthless, lifeless, pieces of man-made crafts with no ability to LIVE as Our Lord does. I must doubt if any believer is truly worshiping the Christmas tree they may put up for festivities, and even more-so, I doubt than an unbeliever in this age puts enough stock in the tree to make it an idol.

  8. I read your site for the first time today, brother. In the US, there are organizations that exist for the purpose of pointing out the error in other ministries. I have been at that place in life myself. There is no example in the Word of God of a gifting or an office for someone to point out error in the lives of others. In fact, the Apostle Paul was loving in his correction of church members who were having sex with other family members! How much more gentle would he have been with people who put up Christmas trees?

    May I gently encourage you to consider “encouraging others” to follow Jesus’ example, rather than correcting and pointing out the error in the lives of your brothers and sisters? It requires far more love and faith to encourage and accept than to critique each other in a life not easily lived. I dare say that I believe that you’re performing beyond your pay grade, and that above all, you consider the first and great commandment and the second like unto it.

    • What’s wrong with the world today? People just can’t take the truth.

      2Ti_4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

  9. Oh good grief!

  10. Wow! Very informative. Thank you very much for posting this. I actually decided not to have Santa Clause celebrated in our home. I was raised in a non-Christian home, and Jesus was NEVER mentioned during Christmas. Santa Clause sure was though!! I have a family now, and I decided to make Christmas about Jesus and not Santa. I did buy a Christmas tree last year, and put it up in the living room. I will not put one up anymore. Thank you so much for your insight, and for speaking on something that other people will judge you for. It takes bravery to speak the truth in love. Thank you for doing just that.

  11. There are many things in our society that are based in pagan religious practices. Even the names of the days of our week have come about because of pagan idol worship. Consider the following origins for the days of the week:
    Sunday: “sone day” meaning “day of the sun,” after sun worship.
    Monday: “day of the moon,” honoring moon worship.
    Tuesday: “Tiu’s day,” after the Germanic god of war.
    Wednesday: “Woden’s day,” honoring Woden, the chief Anglo-Saxon god.
    Thursday: “Thors day,” honoring the Norse god of thunder.
    Friday: “Freya’s day,” honoring the Teutonic goddess of love, beauty and fecundity.
    Saturday: “Saturns day,” in honor of Saturn the god who ruled the universe until dethroned by Zeus.

    In spite of all the clear pagan meanings behind the names of the days of the week, Christians are not advocating that we change their names, or even stop referring to them as we do. Should a Christian not eat in a Chinese restaurant because they have pagan symbols as decorations? Or should we stop buying products produced by Buddhists? We recognize that the entire world has been influenced greatly because of paganism. God tells us that the whole world is under the control of the “evil one” (1 John 5:19). It is mature Christians who realize that, in spite of the world, they can conduct themselves in such a way that they always bring glory and honor to God.

    • I guess we have to ask ourselves why are we bringing a tree into our home? Is it a tradition of men? Is it honoring and furthering Gods kingdom? Did Jesus command us to do such things? Why are we doing such things then? Does it bring Glory and Honor to God? The whole world is under the rule of Satan then it must be ok to bring a tree in our house and celebrate Christmas even if Gods word clearly says not too? We don’t bring the days of the week in our home, and decorate them, or grab all the idols off the wall before we leave a place we eat at. To bring glory and honor to our Lord is to be obedient to his word, which clearly God says ,not I, or your pastor or mature Christians say, BUT GOD says when he had written 66 books penned by 40 different men write his ways to us, to learn not the way of the heathens. I asked myself all these questions years ago, about christmas and its tree thing, and found it to be a vain thing, vain meaning all for nothing. I celebrate the Lord and find it a pleasure to be obedient with prayers and discernment everyday. My love and prayers goes to the believers who still see this as a great holiday, I love you and would hope if I’m doing a pagan thing, you would show me in the bible and help me to do his will. Jeremiah 10 verse 1 thru 4 but if you read on it explains why the heathens do these things. Im not telling anyone what to do or ifs it wrong or right GOD is thru his word, im clearly referring to the written word of God, if you find a verse in the bible that says to honor his birthday by bringing a tree in then I’m wrong for saying any of this. You just cant grab another verse to explain or justify the heathen practices about Christmas and its tree décor, spoken in the bible, its like saying forget that verse but honor this one, If God wrote it through the holy spirit of these men in them then it is what it is, and to not turn from the heathen practices in the bible it says we are being disobedient.

  12. If we seek to criticise or evaluate every christian doctrine and force our personal beliefs on others, we become legalistic and are not in anyway different from the pharisees. Let us not lose sight of what christianity is all about else the devil will be happy. Only Him knows what is and what is not so let us ask Him about anything we are not sure of.

  13. Well, Tony (or Andrew or Pat),

    All of these blogs were quite informative. I’ve been a Christian now for almost 40 years and I may not have seen it all but I’ve seen a lot 🙂 The last two or three comments basically stating in so many words, “Let’s not be religious and/or eccentric” really sum up my sentiments as well. As Christians, our concentration should not be on the technicalities of doctrine but rather on working out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Every time I see a Christian site that is heavy on distancing themselves from other Christians — I consider it a red flag. Yes, we are to separate ourselves from the world, but not each other. Yes, we are to be holy even as He is holy — but not “holier than thou” 🙂 But as soon as someone starts telling me how I must believe, it really greaves the Holy Spirit in me. If God has shown you something about Christmas, that’s great; but, please don’t try to shove it down my throat as though I were some ignorant proseletyte. Isn’t that why you escaped the whole organized religion business? We certainly don’t need more oppression do we? If there’s something we’re doing wrong — like celebrating the birth of Christ in December instead of June and putting up a silly tree for the kids — please simply ask God to show us personally through the revelation of Christ rather than presumptuously turning this whole thing into “don’t eat this or don’t partake of this” / “the letter of the law killeth” stuff. Rather, I suggest that we all celebrate our love for Christ by using this site as a place to praise the Lord that made all of us little children –equally loved and cherished by our merciful and longsuffering Father. In other words, I don’t bear witness — in the Spirit — to a bunch of religious ranglings that don’t benefit the hearer. Let’s stick with those things that are first pure, peaceable, easy to be entreated… and just love and pray for each other. In the love of Christ,
    Dave

    • If we are to confess our sins, repent of them, and believe we are forgiven, and have no reference to his commandments, or his word, but follow the way of the world, both saved and unsaved people have celebrated Christmas, then is it ok to fornicate, commit adultery, and love money and material things, of course not. So how as a believer can we pick and chose what God commands us to do and not to do. Over and Over in the word of God does he speak of CONSIDER YOUR WAYS. We have an obligation to come out from among them. It is not a legalistic view it is the will of God to honor his ways. By having a tree in your home is an idol of a heathen, and by sharing the verse in the bible of Jeremiah 10 verse 1-4 is not legalistic at all, IT IS GODS WORD. He spoke man into existence and has given us a guide to consider his ways, and yet in our free will, we try to convince others they are not right or wrong because we want to continue to do things our way. This is not a religion. This is a relationship, that bears our utmost respect for our redeemer, and by honoring his birthday in a pagan way we are clearly out of his will, and not by because people say we are, or I’m saying we are, by GOD saying we are, and it is safe to say that we have rebellion in our hearts, for this issue, because we see nothing wrong with it, BUT God sees everything wrong with it, or he wouldn’t have written 66 books penned by 44 different men to tell us what is right and wrong. When the spirit convicts people, our eyes are opened to the lies of this world, and to stay in those lies and honor those lies we are saying God thankyou for Jesus , thankyou for forgiving my sins, but I choose to do mans will then yours on this commandment, and by doing so, we impact so many other people to blot out , a commandment of GOD, in Jeremiah, and celebrate his birth anyway, which is clearly not what he commanded us to do, Satan is the magnificent liar and he uses believers to also be involved in his corruptness to corrupt other believers into his ways. There is no other way to say this. I love to celebrate Jesus everyday through prayer and obedience to HIS word not the traditions of men. May the Lord Jesus open all believers in this heathen practice and consider their ways with a discernment of Gods word. On a note of supporting one another, the manuscripts in the bible were written to support believers even when they were wrong, but to identify the way. If we pick and choose what commandments to follow once our eyes have been opened, then we shut our eyes to the truth. We don’t get to pick, we don’t get to tell someone whos right and whos wrong, The word of God does that for us and he clearly did in Jeremiah, no matter how your pastor or friends justify it, It is very clear. Learn not the way of the heathen? If someone says its ok then , its ok? No. If GOD says it is ok then its ok if God says its not ok then its not OK. There is no gray area. No room for legalistic, no room for ignorance, no room for justifying, no room for Satan.

  14. The true birthday of Christ is not known,but it can be narrowed down. Zacharias the father of John the Baptist went into the temple to light the candles before the Lord. This was only done three times a year,Passover,Pentacost,and Yom Kippur. According to Jewish records he did it at Pentacost(Ibelieve the Jews call it Succoth-the time of the counting of the Omer-7 weeks(49 days) after the feast of first fruits) in 5 BC. That would be early June on our calendar.The Bible tells us that when he came out he could not speak because he did not believe the Angels message that his wife would concieve in her old age.He went out to her and she concieved,and when she was in her 6th month(Dec 5 BC) the Angel Gabriel came to Mary and told her she would become pregnant by the Holy Spirit. So about Hannakah(the feast of lights) the light of the World was concieved in Mary’s womb.40 weeks later comes to another feast of the Lord called The Feast of Tabernacles. Tabernacles means God is with us.It is a seven day festival where the Jews travel to Jerusalem and camp out in booths. It is a remembrance of the times when God dwelt with the Israeli people in the desert. In the Book of John(John 1:14) he tells us that the word became flesh and dwelt with us. The word for dwelt is tabernacle. In 4 BC the first day of the feast of tabernacle was on Sept 23. This was very likely his real birthday. The feast of tabernacles is 7 days long. The day after the 7 day feast is known as the Great Day of the Lord. It was on this day that the messiah is to come into the temple and set up his millenial kingdom. On the eighth day of Jesus life(on the Great day of the Lord) he was taken into the temple to be circumcised as commanded by God through Moses. There was an elderly rabbi and a prophetess who saw him on that day and declared that their eyes had seen salvation. Now I can’t prove he was born on Sept 23. His pregnancy could have been 37 weeks-43 weeks. But if he was born on the first day of the feast of tabernacles everything fits for him being the messiah.

    • You are right about xmas it is a pagan holiday, and the tree is a idol. I believe that if Jesus what us to celebrate his birthday he would have put it in the bible for us to do so, He just what us to focus on Just believing in him. That is our savor. Jesus knows your heart. The majority people is all for the beautiful of the lights, gifts and party. So if you thank about it, He didn’t what most of his christian people to go astray like they are today. So their is a reason why Jesus didn’t put his birthday date in there. Think about it, don’t be so quick to down the true. It right there in the bible, don’t do as the pagan do. Don’t put know Idol be for me, Have a bless day and God bless.

  15. yes i think you are right !
    i just imagine how it will be if we celebrate birth of Jesus without a tree or a santa clause. then ours and children’s focus will be more on the savior’s birth.
    i am happy that you are bold enough to display this!
    thank you and God bless you
    May Dear Heavenly father help you and encourage you with His love and mighty presence

  16. i think that in reality there are too many different true beginnings of Christmas, so because of the confusion, i’d say this. Christmas for a christian is the celebration of Christs’ birth, regardless of what others may have used this specific date for. Because Christians are Christs children we have the power to speak Satan out of this day and declare it a holy day for Christ. at the same time, others are offended by this so i feel that with the teaching of the bible, we should not eat sacrificed foods to other gods with or in front of a weaker christian. in other words, we have the freedom to practice a day for Christ but not to impose Christmas on those who do not feel its should be celebrated. now in the Christmas argument at stores, its a holiday that is intrenched in America say merry Christmas, OR happy Hanukkah but do no call a Christmas tree a holiday tree. this helps to keep a large line drawn in the sand for those who do not wish to cross.

    • It specifically says not to bring a tree into the house and decorate it. Justify christmas all you want, but it is still wrong. Claiming the tree is there to celebrate Christ does not change the fact that a direct command from God has been disobeyed

  17. Our testimonies are similar in many parts and I have greatly enjoyed reading through the content of the site. That there are Brothers and Sisters in the Lord who are being brought out of denominational settings to meet in homes and public places is a joy and I am in touch with a number of fellowships who share this zeal and are obeying His word to the best of their ability. Amen.
    But; to a man and a woman at some point the zeal turns into assertions of divine doctrine inspired through personal revelation and a distrust of ‘The World’ and its practices. Next comes division in the guise of ‘if you call yourself a Christian….’. What? You’d all do it the way we do? From reading some of your material on this site I am sure this is not what you would want to convey but given that you posted it, it deserves responses.
    Ever since the Church Fathers developed strategies to proselatyse the heathens accross the known world, man had leant on its own understanding to try and get the Job done as though the Lord could not achieve it without them. Vanity. Since those early times indiginous peoples have adopted pagan days and inserted a scripture based feast day or saints day in order to assert Christs dominance over the old. The Church and her Head has dominance over the old, do not be fooled into fear. In fact, many of the earliest church buildings were in fact built on pagan worship sites. In the UK more often than not there would have been a Yew tree on the site or near the building. Why? Because of a demonic conspiricy? Or because of the Gospels power (not ours) over the old? I know what I believe.
    Jesus IS the reason for this season and it is a terrific time to stir up a lost generations ‘spirit-man’ to reawaken the dormant part of them that earnestly desire to be one with their Creator.
    Beware fear, we do not have a Spirit of fear. Beware giving the enemy more credit than he deserves. The Gospel discredits him and it is sufficient. No time of year gets more Gospel than Christmas. Attack the commercialisation of it, the hunger of greed Children are weened on, the tacky gaudy coca-cola fueled camp fantasy by all means, but Christs Mass can be preserved by the Saints for the reason it was first established surely?
    Love & peace in His name.
    Charles

    Scotland
    Worshipping in 1’s&2’s in Spirit & in Truth

  18. Why do we do what we do?
    Never heard this story of this pagen festival with such details.In celebrating Jesus coming with Christmas is clearly not the same gig. so to speak. I was taken back a little when I recently (3 yrs ago) found out that December 25th is not the actual birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ, but the immaculate conception of the virgin Mary. The Actual birth is not celebrated nor is that day known to me Perhaps you may have insight Or scripture on that?. The Holy infant So tender and mild’s life was and still is to this day celebrated at Conception. Our songs of worship are for him.
    A little something to share with our daughters so as to know and be armed without a doubt if faced with peer presure or a planned parenthood counselor..We have issues here on that subject.
    I digress. I think it is John who guides us in the New Testiment with our New covenant to not eat meat from idol worship only as not to let another fellow brother or sister stumble if they believe it to be bad then do not eat of it for their sake but if you do not believe in the idol or pay any homage to such it is not a sin to eat the meat.
    If we are not worshiping this pagen idol but in fact celebrate with clear intention Our Lord and Saviors birth at conception then we are more than fine.
    Does that make any sense?
    There is a similar story on Easter. Pagen holiday, bunnys. Furtility Roman god or something like that. I didn’t pay much attention to it
    Other than this I think your website is both informative and down to the basic good solid truths of the Bible.

  19. Here I have to say you are a bit off the mark if not misled, the verse is speaking of making an idol. Jer 10:3 “and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel”.& 10:5 “Like a scarecrow….their idols cannot speak, they must be carried because they cannot walk.”
    Go back to Is 40:19 “as for an idol, a craftsman casts it and a goldsmith overlays it with gold and fashions silver chains for it” & Is 41:7 “the craftsman encourages the goldsmith….he nails down the idol so it will not topple”
    I dont believe this has anything to do with the christmas tree, so I see no need to further research this heading, for the scripture (which is the base of your argument) is out of context so why should I think the rest is valid.
    You have my email if you wish to contact me but I doubt you will post this & I shall leave this site & pray for those who might be misled by it. This just sounds like an excuse to not celebrate the birth of Christ though I will say the death & resurrection of Christ are the good news.But without the virgin birth the validity of Christ is in question.
    BTW I am not a pastor or even college educated, just a servant of the risen Lord.
    Blessings
    Keith<
    ~~~~~~~


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